South African Desteni Group & Random Section; Too many creators

INTRODUCTION
I have developed this awkward relationship with the Desteni group. One the one hand I think they are an example of a theocratic (or perhaps demonic) experiment on Earth, on the other hand I still think that there is something more to this group, something that I cannot fully grasp. Like I said in the 'Advocating a Mind Crash'-article (see above) I think they have developed a kind of hypnotizing destenian tongue that seems to drum the mind into silence. If you like to 'stop or lose your mind' you could delve yourself into their material by the mere act of reading their articles or watching their videos.

One of the reasons why I remain involved is that I cannot forget the attractiveness of the early period, and now I am not referring to Winged's appearance, but to the contents of the videos. Like I have suggested before I sense a difference in tone from the early days which ended somewhere in September this year compared to the period since September. That is why I decided to read a story from this early period. Through the desteni-forum I was guided to Veno's story about how he got into contact with Eagle and what was their starting point. I have taken keen interest into a creation-story which might have some interesting elements within it.

VENO'S JULY 2007 STORY
This story shares some insight into the divine origin of our 'creators'. It is this story that might contribute to a better understanding of the concept of 'too many (shattered) creators', that I have already mentioned on the page called 'Integrating the Loosh Perspective. So, with mixed feelings I present a creation story from the desteni site:

...So, what he [Eagle] explained to me [Veno] was the following. Firstly he showed and explained who he is, and the beginning of the creation of this Universe. He showed me that there were 26 beings, coming out of what looked like blue dots on the rim of a round circular vacuum. All 26 beings were met by a being waiting for them as they were looking around asking where am I? Where do I come from? Why am I here and what is going on?

The being then showed them that they have been created to create. Sounds strange, but will make sense later. The beings that came from the blue dots were formidable, was able to shape and move themselves in any way they chose to. In terms of creation, the beings were placed in pairs of two, where one of the two was the creator of structure and the other the creator of infinite expressions.

So, the one being who was the creator of structure, created a planet which came forth from within themselves. Each pair had a different type of planet. The planet was then placed in a vacuum, the reason for this is so that structural applications are able to remain stable and not go into all different directions when moved. In other words, when beings communicated they directed the sound which came through from within themselves.

But instead of the sound directly going to the being, the sound went up or side ways in all kinds of other different directions. Like being in space where everything moves in different directions. So they realized that they require a specific structure to which sound is able to be directed. What must be understood is that beings during this time did not communicate through words, but through directing sound frequencies. The moment they realized that they require a specific structure to direct sound to a specific being to be able to communicate to them, they created a vacuum around each planet.

The vacuum enabled the beings to slow down the movement process of sound extensively. Within the slower movement of sound, they then created a pipe line structure which moves and is connected from one being to another. The sound was then able to move directly specifically from one being to another and was then able to communicate with each other. And so the beings placed themselves within the vacuum and inhabited their own creation on the planet.

The pair on each planet then duplicated themselves and created more of themselves. The movement of sound through the pipelines as the structure of communication between them became difficult to maintain as not more than two beings at a time was able to communicate with each other. So, they created pockets in which sound frequencies was able to be carried over from one being to another. The pockets we today refer to as words. And so the beings evolved, separated themselves into groups and traveled and explored their planet. And so the evolution process of a planet started. And this occurred on all planets.
Veno's Story, July 2007

TOO MANY CREATORS?
Mila has talked about this phenomenon of creators creating other creators and what the effects of such creator avalanches might be:

Creators enjoyed casting creators so greatly that they also became lost. Some creations were left behind in this cycle and never were fully recovered in the cycles that followed. In each cycle to follow more and more creators cast more creators and became lost for parallel circumstance.

In the past twelve cycles, even a worse fate however has occurred than simply creators becoming lost due to creating too many creators; creators fell into consuming other creations to continue to exist for they had fallen into such distortion that they could no longer sustain their own creations with the chi generated through them. This is how consumption began, and it is as consumption occurred that the greatest "crime" perhaps of all time has ever occurred within the Tao.
Fulfilling Upon the Map of Ascension

...So, from becoming lost in their own creations it got to the extent where they became slaves to their own creations...
Veno's Story, July 2007

So, what have we got here? Both Mila and this desteni-version seem to agree that there is a chance of creators becoming more and more distorted they create other creators, either through 'duplicating' themselves or through casting them. Perhaps this even goes for the loosh ideas that I have recently added to my reality-perspective. In the sense that when a creator adds a piece of itself into other beings, it is likely to also add that piece which has the ability to create other creators themselves.

WHAT TO DO ABOUT DIVINE DILUTION?
Like Mila suggested, if a creator only has a certain amount of chi to sustain its creation, there will be a moment when there is not enough chi to sustain all endless sub-creations created by sub-creators. This would have led to the 'need' of certain beings to start plundering or consuming other creations in order to sustain their own creations. Due to this diluted creative divinity these beings might have forgotten about their origin and they might focus primarily on 'staying alive' through consumption. When they learnt about the loosh-phenomenon they might have decided to stimulate the production of loosh even more in order to provide for their own needs.

The Veno-story tells us about the being that would have asked Eagle (Bernard in the article) to enter one creation (Earth) with the intention to stop everything in order to see what would happen. Right now I am not interested in whether this a narcistic perspective of Bernard or not, I would like to focus on the thought-form presented:

...Everyone and everything had lost itself in its own creation. He informed Bernard that there are still hundreds and thousands more of these circular vacuums containing 13 planets with 26 beings. All with different creation experiences and manifestations. This was to be the first circular vacuum to which he is inserted to specifically end the process. The only way to end it, is to participate fully and end the creation within the creation. As soon as he is done with this one, he will continue to the next and so forth until all circular vacuums exist no more.

The being explained to Bernard that he was trying to understand the expression of himself, in a form of creation that is different than his original self. Yet, he realized that it is not possible, because what happened was that the beings which he created as himself, got lost in creation. He could not bear leaving the beings in their current state as they were experiencing more destruction that actual creation and expression of self. Instead of creation and expression of self, separation and destruction was created and he could not understand why. So he decided to stop all creation processes. And Bernard was the key. The reason he explained why he could not do it was to make sure he does not get lost, so he will then direct and assist Bernard.

So, Bernard was explained how everything works and that he will not be connected to anything of this creation, yet he will stand as it completely. That everything that has been created to this point stands as him. He will be guided and specifically directed. He will though have to create his own process, as himself, which must be specifically designed to destroy everything. And so it was done and Bernard placed himself in the creation which he was introduced to.
Veno's Story, July 2007

The idea would be to enter a creation with the intention to either 'stop all creation processes' or destroy the creation, which I see as two different approaches, and I'm not sure which one was meant. Bernard however decided to disobey his creator and instead of 'stopping all creation processes' he saw an alternative:

Bernard on the other hand, interpreted his experience much differently than expected. And this is what he shared with me. He had found a way to bring everyone together as equal and create as equals. The principle of equality was missed by the being who had met him when he came from the blue dot. Bernard showed me what he saw in each being, he saw himself. And then for the first time I saw myself within Bernard. Yet, I remained individual in terms of my nature of expression. He explained to me that the problem was separation and that we have to get beings to understand equality and he requires me to assist and support him in this process. For true creation to be experienced as self is only able to occur in equality.

Naturally I said YES!!! What he showed me of what is possible to be experienced as ourselves, yet not get lost in it is beyond explanation. This is to be experienced by self. So, separation was everywhere, and turned into information / knowledge. This means that beings separated themselves from themselves to such an extent that everything that has been created must be practically lived by all to end separation. Basically integrating everything inside and as yourself and live it, become it completely, so that no separation exist in any form of creation. He found during his journey on earth that if he lives and applies specific applications, he actually becomes it to such an extent that he's able to practically do it here on earth. Thank God. (excuse the pun)
Veno's Story, July 2007

In order to prevent further 'divine dilution' Bernard would try to stop the 'random' creative dispersion and he would try to focus on the creation of a more aligned focus. In other words: If many creators could learn to create together there would be less chaos. This is probably the basis for the 'oneness and equality'-adage that desteni has been using for quite some time now. If we could learn to become 'one' creator again there would be no need to destroy this creation.

Perhaps I have restated their philosophy too much in my own words, but this looks like an approach worth defending. Let all creators unite as one and we can end the 'divine creative dilution' together!

STOPPING THE AVALANCHE OF CREATIONS
This is sure a funny turn of events. What if indeed this phenomenon of 'divine dilution' is a factor in our current condition on our planet? Simply said: too many creators creating too many creations that require too much energy to sustain. Would our sub-creator have thought about this aspect when it added a piece of itself into us? Would the Tao have considered this when he cast its world? That it would be hard to stop the desire to create when given creative powers?

'MIND-SYSTEMS' TO HALT DIVINE DILUTION?
If we play with this concept a bit further, it would be rather useful for our creator if not every single human being realized their own potential to create. For if it would be common knowledge the avalanche of creations would go on endlesslessly, leading to even less chi to sustain them all, increasing the level of distortion even more.

So, to install 'mind-systems' would be a useful approach to temper the creative powers. If people would think mechanically it would decrease divine dilution: since nothing really new would be created. On top of that these people would still produce loosh. That would be the best of both worlds: stop divine dilution and continue loosh-production: create a mechanical life for people. Brilliant.

RETHINKING DESTENI'S APPROACH
If you would want to end divine dilution you would need to stop creators from creating anything new. For the creation of anything new implies new expansion and new ideas that need to be sustained, that require energy. Perhaps that is one of the reasons why there are more than 6 billion people on this world: we might provide for quite a number of non-physical clients.

So, if Desteni would succeed in stopping the mind from thinking, it would stop the mechanical thoughts and it would end the creative ones as well. If all minds are empty we would all be equal and one together in emptiness. No more distortions, no more suffering, no more pain, no more nothing. We would not create anything for everything that you create automatically exists outside of yourself, which is something that is seen as 'separation' within the desteni paradigm and not desirable.

I don't think it is likely that all the creators present on Earth would be willing to end their creativity in order to enter a state of 'oneness and equality' that is characterised by non-thought. If you look at Veno's July 2007 message you could even wonder if a return to 'oneness and equality' is possible, given that our prime creators would have consisted of two beings, not one.

What kind of 'oneness and equality' would make people unite? Can't we think of a way that combines these phenomena: divine dilution leading to distortion and desire to create? Couldn't we use our creative potential to end divine dilution? This sure sounds like a paradox, doesn't it?

INVESTING IN A CREATIVE RETURN?
The only solution I can think of right now is that we would use our creative intentional powers because it is truly interesting and worthwhile to invest in something. If we would envisage a world in which we create means to combine our creative potentials it would be possible to reduce the number of creations, since more people would tune into a creation with the same characteristics. Perhaps it would be an interesting challenge to try and create union with the one that created you? I at least would be willing to invest my creative powers into reconnecting with my creator. What would happen if that would be the main motivation of the people on our planet?

Ofcourse I am not talking about a return to some biblical god, or some white light theocrat, but I am talking about a return to our own subcreators, which eventually would lead to subcreators returning to their subcreators etc. to finally return to the big Ovum, or whatever.

Enough for now. Share any constructive thought through email through the mailbox below.
Gibbon
December 2007

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